{"id":27509,"date":"2020-11-12T23:46:59","date_gmt":"2020-11-12T21:46:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/daidalika.hmu.gr\/?page_id=27509"},"modified":"2021-03-02T10:11:14","modified_gmt":"2021-03-02T08:11:14","slug":"neolithic-scripts","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/daidalika.hmu.gr\/el\/neolithic-scripts\/","title":{"rendered":"\u0395\u03b9\u03c3\u03b1\u03b3\u03c9\u03b3\u03ae"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; admin_label=&#8221;Menu&#8221; module_id=&#8221;section-padding&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.7.5&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#ffffff&#8221; width=&#8221;100%&#8221; module_alignment=&#8221;center&#8221; custom_margin=&#8221;-30px||||false|false&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;1vw||1.1vw||false|false&#8221; custom_css_main_element=&#8221;position: fixed;||top:30px;&#8221; box_shadow_style=&#8221;preset1&#8243; box_shadow_blur=&#8221;50px&#8221; box_shadow_color=&#8221;rgba(0,0,0,0.13)&#8221; 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(dated by C14 at Dimokritos Laboratories in Athens and c.A4 in size) is perhaps the oldest \u201cinscription\u201d currently known. It dates to approximately 37 centuries before the Minoan Phaistos Disk which is approximately 37 centuries Before Present. Along with other examples of possible Neolithic Communication such as the \u201cTartaria Tablets\u201d in Romania, approximately contemporary with the \u201cDispilio Inscription\u201d c.5300 B.C., it raises the question of whether there was a Neolithic Code of Communication or even \u201cNeolithic Script(s)\u201d? The subject must be \u2018studiable-readable-understandable\u2019. The current dbase has 200-300 different signs and c.1000 \u201cinscriptions\u201d from the Neolithic period. It is very difficult to be certain but based on a drawing there seem to be c.100 signs of \u201cNeolithic Script(s)\u201d (\u201cNS\u201d) on the \u201cDispilio Inscription\u201d (as opposed to c. 20 signs on the \u201cTartaria Tablets\u201d \u201cTT\u201d). Is that enough to identify a syllabic script, if so what language is it writing? Is it possible to recognize phonetic linguistic crypto-analytic patterns in the \u2018text\u2019 with statistical frequency analysis but can one then proceed to decode\/decipher it and return it to plain text i.e. to be \u2018understandable\u2019, after being both \u2018studiable\u2019 and \u2018readable\u2019? Could c.10&#215;10 i.e. c.100 signs be compared quantitatively to the first lines of the Iliad and\/or Odyssey c.4000 years older than the Trojan War?<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text ol_type=&#8221;lower-roman&#8221; ol_item_indent=&#8221;30px&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.7.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; ol_text_align=&#8221;justify&#8221;]<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If alphabetic i.e. each sign represents a letter,\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">then approximately equivalent to the first two or three lines of the Iliad and\/or Odyssey.<br \/> <\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If syllabic i.e. each sign represents a syllable, then approximately equivalent to the first seven or eight lines of the Iliad and\/or Odyssey.<br \/> <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If ideographic i.e. each sign represents a word, then approximately equivalent to the first fourteen or fifteen lines of the Iliad and\/or Odyssey.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.7.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; text_orientation=&#8221;justified&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There are 3 systems of writing in the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text ol_type=&#8221;lower-roman&#8221; ol_item_indent=&#8221;30px&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.7.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; ol_text_align=&#8221;justify&#8221;]<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Alphabetic Scripts = 10s of signs.<br \/> <\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Syllabic Scripts = 100s of signs.<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br \/> <\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ideographic script = 1000s of signs.<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.7.0&#8243; _module_preset=&#8221;default&#8221; text_orientation=&#8221;justified&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>The \u201cDispilio Inscription\u201d (\u201cDI\u201d) of the \u201cNeolithic Script(s)\u201d (\u201cNS\u201d) is most probably neither an alphabetic not an ideographic script, so by a process of elimination, it is most likely to be a syllabic script (maximum 232-242-292, probably substantially less) if it is indeed \u2018writing\u2019 phonetically representing a spoken language of Neolithic Dispilio 4000 years before the Trojan War. \u03a4here is also Mycenaean pottery found within the fallen stones at the Neolithic \u2018peribolos\u2019 and the Mycenaean Linear B inscription \u201cTE-RE-DA\u201d or \u201cDA-RE-TE\u201d on a pithos from Aiani in Mycenaean Macedonia in North Greece, Hellas. This is a possible Bronze Age Mycenaean name ending in \u2013DAS or -THP as the owner of the pithos, which shows continuity in West Macedonia in North Greece from Neolithic Stone Age to Mycenaean Bronze Age and indeed there was a dynasty of Macedonian Kings in the 4 th Century BC called Derdas. Curioser and Curioser. 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